Our beautiful Deer Lodge with the mountains behind. In the heart of the Village, our condo is on the top floor so it offers great views and quiet nights.
Lovely fresh bedroom with great views. Lots of storage and a TV/DVD for relaxing. Queen bed with comfy feather bed mattress. A/C for summer nights and fans to keep the air moving.
Bathroom has all your linens as well as as soaps/shamp/cond./lotions. The full size washer/dryer along with laundry soap is there for all your cleaning needs.
The comfy queen sofa bed for 2 more guests. All the fresh linens are supplied. There is a power head vacuum if you need to tidy up the place.
This doorway opens onto the balcony which offers the same great view and chairs to relax and enjoy it. Our BBQ is available Spring through Fall.
The cozy gas fireplace is a perfect place to curl up and relax after a busy day in Whistler. There is a big selection of books for you to choose from so something for everyone. The flat screen TV has a DVD player with a selection of DVDs as well. We have added the movie channels to our cable service so enjoy.
Our full kitchen has everything there for your cooking/baking needs. We have made a point of stocking spices, fridge condiments, teas and coffees, and basic cooking/baking supplies to save you having to shop for them. There is a great espresso machine for making lattes and americanos and a drip coffee maker as well.
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TOP LOCATION IN THE HEART OF WHISTLER VILLAGE. 5 MINUTE STROLL TO THE LIFTS. We hear back from so many of our guests about how they "love the location"! Beautiful MOUNTAIN VIEWS from the living areas and balcony of our very QUIET top floor condo. Our helpful FRONT DESK STAFF provide carefree check-in and personal assistance throughout your stay.
We have added lots of IN-SUITE EXTRAS for your comfort and convenience.
- FULLY EQUIPPED KITCHEN and IN-SUITE W/D.
- Enjoy lattes prepared with our STARBUCKS ESPRESSO MACHINE.
- Relax by the fireplace and take in a movie on the LARGE FLAT SCREEN TV.
- COMPLIMENTARY WIFI in our site.
- The comfortable queen bed and sofa bed accommodate 4 guests (bedroom has a TV/DVD player too) !
- Soak in the HOT TUB after a long hard day skiing/boarding, mountain biking or hiking.
- EXCELLENT SECURED BIKE AND SKI LOCK-UPS for our guests.
- SECURED UNDERGROUNG PARKING is available through our front desk
Enjoy Whistlers' world class restaurants, entertainment, pubs and the many outdoor recreation areas right outside our doors. Take full advantage of the excellent DISCOUNTED LIFT TICKETS/RENTALS/LESSONS available through our site.Click BOOK NOW on the top right of this page for our secure, user friendly online reservation system; VISA AND MASTERCARD accepted. It is our great pleasure to offer our well maintained, comfortable condo for your Whistler holiday experience. Happy to be at your service, all the best, SANDY AND ROB.
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17 Flipkey Reviews
Helen from Llanfoist, United Kingdom
Date: Feb-13-2019 for a stay in Feb 2019
Lovely one bed apartment in a great central location. Everything you could possibly need is provided. Lovely fire to cosy up to in the very cold weather during our stay! Check in and out a very easy process. We will definitely be returning.View Full Review Owner Has Responded
2nd stay - just as amazing as the first
Joanne from Gold Coast, Australia
Date: Feb-09-2019 for a stay in Dec 2018
2nd time staying in this beautiful unit. It is the perfect spot in whistler. Close to the lifts, restaurants and grocery store. The unit is beautifully decorated and always super clean with everything you could possibly need for your stay supplied. We are beyond comfortable when staying there. Check in and out is always super easy. Will definitely be back!!!!View Full Review Owner Has Responded
Christopher from Forresters Beach, Australia
Date: Dec-27-2018 for a stay in Dec 2018
This property had everything you could need for a great holiday. We would definitely come back again. Perfect location and facilities. 5 stars.View Full Review Owner Has Responded
Location, Location, Location! When in Whistler, you want to have the Village right at your door and this is exactly what we offer. You'll be in Whistler's top central location with everything at your feet as you step out our lobby doors.You will love it.. Enjoy!
|24 HR Emergency Maintenance||We have a very secured bike locker room where you can confidently store you bike, Bring along your own lock to secure to the floor bar. We supply secured ski lockers for your use so please pick up the personal lock from our front desk staff when you book in.|
|Air Conditioning||The air/cond. unit is wall mounted in the bedroom and theres a great ossilating fan to circulate the cold air into the living areas. Works great in those nice warm summer nights.|
|BBQ||Table top BBQ available late Spring through early Fall. One disposible propane cylinder supplied with others to be purchased by guest from IGA or Hardware store in Village. A cost effective way; bring up addition ones (Walmart in Squamish on the way up has good prices).|
|Books||Variety for all ages. Lots to choose from. Leave one/take one is can be done here. Whistler hiking guide is the exception as it is there all the guests to enjoy and use.|
|Concierge/Front Desk - On Site||There is an excellent Front Desk staff with extended office hours. Late night/early morning maintenance staff available 24/7 for assistance with check-in and parking.|
|Deck||Private balcony with chairs and plants. A great table top BBQ too!|
|Dining Area||Dining table/chairs with place mats. All dishes, utincils, wine glasses etc. found in our well equipped full kitchen. You'll be impressed with the extras you'll find! The fridge and cupboards have an excellent variety of condiments and basic cooking supplies. Try out our Starbucks expresso machine and coffee. There's a pop corn and hot air popper as well.|
|Dishwasher||Included along with all soaps supplied|
|DVD Library||There is a large selection of great movies.|
|DVD Player||DVD players in living and bedroom areas with surround sound system; great for listening to movies and music.|
|Fireplace||Lovely rock-faced gas fireplace to curl up by.|
|Fitness Facilities||Fitness room with lovely separate mens/ladies change rooms/showers.|
|Fresh Linens||Complete set of bath, table, kitchen and bed linens for 4 guests. Pillows and blankets are in the closet for the sofa bed.|
|Games||Variety of board and card games for all ages|
|Guest Parking||Secured underground parking available for our guests at $15 per night with passes available at the front desk. Late checking in? Use your key card to get into the parking and pick up your pass the next morning when you do your formal check-in at the frontdesk. The staff will take care of you so don't worry about parking tickets.|
|Hairdryer||1 in bathroom, 1 in bedroom|
|Internet Access||Wifi for all your electronic gadgets.|
|Iron and Ironing Board||Included|
|Knapsack||Backpack and umbrella. Please, leave these in the condo when you depart as you know how they came in handy for your stay.|
|Laundry Facilities - Free||In-suite full size W/D with laundry soap. Great for your ski clothing and other laundry.|
|Lift Ticket Delivery||Order discount lift tickets.rentals/lessons from the front desk and have the lift passes waiting when you arrive. 4 days notice needed to assure on time availability. All AlluraDirect orders to be pick up as noted when booking.|
|Living Area||Bright and airy with excellent mountain,forest, and Village views. A queensize sofa bed (really comfy) and stone fireplace so its just right for relaxing. Lots of good reading material too. Open concept living/dining/kitchen make for spacious feel and great entertaining.|
|Patio Furniture||Lawn Chairs|
|Resort Information||There's a well stocked pamphlet stand iin the lobby and excellent assistance from our frontdesk staff. They are the best!|
|Secure Ski and Bike Storage||Ski lockup off lobby, bike lockup in secured underground parkade. Very secured facilities.|
|Telephone||Cordless phones in the bedroom and living area for local calling. Long distance cards available at the front desk|
|TV-Digital or HDTV||Digital cable TV in both living area and bedroom. We've also added 5 extra movie channels for your entertainment..|
|Discount Cards||Frontdesk provides a variety of discounts on ski rental/equipment and tourist activities|
|Fitness Facilities||Located off the hot tub area in Eagle Lodge|
|Guest Parking||Having visitors drop by? Short time visitors may be given access to the secured underground parking by the frontdesk staff. Any visitors staying over 4 hours must pay the $15 parking fee charged by the frontdesk. This is a monitored parking area; violaters will be fined.|
|Guest Resort Information||Display counter in lobby as well a excellent info from our frontdesk staff. Discounts available for several local stores and services|
|Hot Tub||Short outdoor walk to Eagle Lodge which houses our lovely Town Plaza indoor hot tub. Beautifully maintained hot tub with great mens/ladies change rooms and showers.|
|Lift Ticket Delivery||Order discount tickets from frontdesk services|
|Secure Ski and Bike Storage||Safe and secure ski lockers provided (bring a lock or get one from the frontdesk staff). Secured bike lock up provided (guests must provide bike locks).|
Our home is in Deer Lodge of the Town Plaza Suites; a top location in the heart of Whistler Village and on the beautiful Village Stroll. We're fortunate in that we face west to Main St.; you get the great mountain views without the nightly racket from the stroll. This puts you within minutes walking distance of all shops, restaurants, pubs, amenities, gondolas and nature trails. So park the car and enjoy the adventure! The Google map available gives an inaccurate location for Deer Lodge as it's closer and more central to the lifts than shown; across from the Village Park on Main St. It's a very peaceful view from our living areas and balcony. Guests love our location and you will too!
|Area||Whistler Village North|
|Development||Whistler Town Plaza - Deer Lodge|
- Rates are quoted in Canadian $. The 5% GST (federal tax) will be applied to our posted rates for accommodation when you book. NEW: B.C. government 10% PST/MRDT TAX APPLIED TO ALL NIGHTLY RENTAL BOOKINGS IN WHISTLER.
|Applicable Taxes||PST of 8% applies,
MRDT of 3% applies,
GST of 5% applies
(taxes not included in the rates below)
|Service Fee||This all-inclusive fee is charged by alluraDirect.com to ensure your trip is safe & secure. Save on fees when reserving with us - up to 50% less than the other rental websites! Services like trip support, dispute resolution, secure credit card payments, property verification, privacy protection and much more are provided. Rent and rest easy!|
Minimum night stay requirements are based on your arrival season only.
All prices are listed in Canadian funds
|Season||Start Date||End Date||# of Nights||Rate/nt||Comments|
|Winter weekday skiing||Feb 12, 2019||Mar 20, 2019||
|2019 Winter powder in Whistler.||Mar 21, 2019||Mar 31, 2019||
|DISCOUNT LIFT TICKETS/RENTALS/LESSONS ON OUR WEBSITE|
|Beautiful Spring Skiing||Apr 1, 2019||Apr 5, 2019||
|Spring skiing in the Sun!!!||Apr 6, 2019||Apr 30, 2019||
|May and still skiing.||May 1, 2019||May 31, 2019||
|Summers comming soon!||Jun 1, 2019||Jun 27, 2019||
|Policy||Amount Required||Due Date||Payment Accepted|
|Reservation Deposit||25.00% of total||Due at time of booking||Online CreditCard via this website|
|Balance of Payment||Full remainder||45 days prior to arrival|
|Damage Deposit||No damage deposit collected|
|Less than 45 days prior to arrival||Full payment||At time of booking|
|Adults - Min Age to Stay: 25||NOTE! Any exception to the minimum age 25 requirement for booking/staying in our condo requires an email from us giving our pre-approval for the reservation. If an underage person makes an online reservation prior to receiving our written email approval, the reservation will be cancelled and no refund will be made. Please be aware that any complaints, from either Deer Lodge guests or from our front desk staff, regarding the conduct of the underaged guests staying in our condo will be grounds for immediate cancellation of the reservation and removal of our guests. Our Front-desk staff requires identification and a valid credit card for a preauthorized $500 damage deposit. IMPORTANT: The credit card and ID must be in the name of the registered guest who has booked and is staying in the condo for the duration of the reservation.|
|Babies, Kids & Teens|
|Long Term Renters (Monthly)||See Specials Section above.|
|Non-Smokers Only||Absolutely no smoking.|
|People with Restricted Mobility||We have a ramp up to Deer Lodge and an elevator close to our condo entry. The condo kitchen and bathroom isn't wheelchair designed.|
|Pets||Permitted with authorization from owners PRIOR TO BOOKING THE CONDO. As a courtesy to others, do not leave pets unattended to bark. The Bedroom and all condo Furniture are off limits to pets. Guests assume all costs incurred due to pet damage and extra cleaning costs for pet hair, so please keep them well groomed for your stay. We have a powerhead vaccum in our unit. We ask that all dogs be well brushed out and clean prior to arrival in the condo. Not permitted on furniture.|
|Seniors||Great condo for seniors. Ramp up to Deer Lodge and the elevator is close by the condo.|
|Wheelchairs||The building is wheelchair accessible but the unit is a standard layout.|
|Young Adult Groups 17-24 With Accompanying Age-Eligible Adult(s)||The Age- Eligible Adult will be the one booking the condo and staying in the condo.|
Not Suitable For:
|Graduation & Stag/Stagette Parties|
|Smoking Inside Permitted|
|Young Adult Only Groups 17-24|
Reservation & Cancellation Policies
|Arrival Days||Reservations of 31 days and more are required to provide a damage deposit of $500 in the form of cash or bank draft. Once the room inspection for damages/loss is completed on the check out date, and all is then found intact, the funds will be retuned to the guest. A check-in info letter and map will be emailed 5 days prior to arrival unless requested sooner. for reservations of 30 days or less, FRONT-DESK REQUIRES VISA OR M.C. BY THE REGISTERED BOOKER FOR A $500 PRE-AUTHORIZATION FOR DAMAGE DEPOSIT. Check-in info letter contains condo info as well as emergency contact info; the map is a directional map to the condo. Please print both off and bring along for your arrival in Whistler. For the protection of all Town Plaza guests, the person booking our condo and giving their credit-card authorization during check-in must be staying in the condo along with their party for the entire booking. (This will prevent, for example, a parent signing in for their offspring while they stay at different accommodations. This behavior will mean immediate eviction from our condo with no refund.|
|Cancellations Made by Guests||Deposit payment non-refundable. Balance payment is refundable, less 5% transaction fees, if booking is cancelled 60 days or greater in advance. Reservations cancelled 59 days or less in advance are refunded only if we replace your booking. These refunds issued the first day of your (cancelled) arrival where applicable.|
|Courtesy Hold Reservations||Not accepted. Reservations are confirmed with payment.|
|Delayed Arrivals||Not responsible for arrival delays.|
|Delivery of Instructions and Access Information||Guests will be emailed the Check-in Letter and Map once final payment is made. Check-in Letter contains condo info as well as emergency contact info; the Map is a directional map to the condo. It is the guests' responsibility to have this info/map with them when they arrive.|
|Guest Account Termination||The Owner or their Contact reserve the right to request permanent Guest account inactivation from this web sites technical administrators in the event of one or more of the following Guest actions: intentional property policy violation causing material damage or fines, Guest misrepresentation and/or fraud, intentionally defacing or damaging public or private property, breaking laws and bylaws, theft, public indecency, harassment, causing bodily or emotional harm & disturbing the peace after repetitive warnings. Guests will be notified by email of account termination. Guests may choose to appeal their account termination. Guests may be given the chance to reconcile with the Owner as a condition of preserving or reversing their account status. Account termination prevents the Guest from booking this or any other property that uses the same web site|
|Guest Stay Contract||Guests are required to read through and send back to the owners, Sandy and Rob, a signed/dated copy of the Reservation Confirmation Letter they have received after booking our condo. You will find this at the end of the list of policies. Please read the comments to the right for the full info. Our receiving this letter is a manditory part of the booking process, and is a requirement to finalizing your booking. PLEASE SEND ONLY THE LAST SHEET OF THIS LETTER, SIGNED, DATED AND WITH YOUR RESERVATION #___B704 AS SIGNATURES ARE OFTEN HARD TO READ.|
|Ineligible Guests Reservation Reversal||The Owner or their Contact reserves the right to cancel reservations made by, and refuse business to: Guests who do not meet the policies published in this property's Policies Table at the time of booking and past Guests known to have : intentionally violated rental property policies, damaged and/or defaced rental properties through intentionally destructive and/or negligent behavior, engaged in theft, broken local bylaws and laws, committed fraud or who misrepresented themselves, and Guests who have caused bodily or emotional harm to any third parties. Guests will be issued a refund by personal cheque. Refunds will be adjusted for any payment processing expenses|
|Late Reservation Payments||If we are not contactd by you within 48 hours, your reservation will be cancelled without refund. Guests can re-book dates if they are still available; deposit will not be re-charged|
|Privacy||The Owner, their booking Contact and this web sites technical administrators agree to not sell, refer, rent or divulge to any third parties the names or personal information of their Guests without prior written consent from the Guests, except under force of law, or for law enforcement purposes relating to policy and property violation. The Owner and their booking Contact also agree to not use Guest personal information for any reason other than its original intended purpose without written consent from the Guests. Guests agree to not sell, refer, rent or divulge to any third parties the names or personal information of the Owner or their booking Contact without prior written consent from the Owner and/or Contact, except under force of law or for law enforcement purposes. Guests also agree to not use Owner or Contact personal information for any reason other than its original intended purpose without written consent from the Owners and their Contact.|
|Property Sale||If the property is sold, our 'Reservation Guarantee' policy applies to all bookings, with the exception of the Feb.1-Mar. 1, 2010 booking which: In the event of sale the rental will be honored.|
|Reservation Changes||May be changed in compliance with cancellation policy. Lengthening reservation possible if availablity permits. Shortening reservations: The deposit calculated on original amount is non-refundable; if balance already paid your balance is similarily non-refundable. If balance not paid, it will be re-adjusted reflecting your shortened res.|
Guest Stay Policies
|Bike Storage||Secured bike lockup room. Guests to bring bike lock to lock bike to heavy duty floor bracks. This is a secure, locked cement block bike storage room in our complex, but the bike owners assume full responsibility for lost, stolen or damaged bikes when using this service.|
|Check-In Time||4:00 pm. Earlier check-ins may be possible-please contact us. Check-in services provided at frontdesk:open 8 AM-12 Midnight during ski season and 9 AM-9 PM Spring-Fall. If arriving after hours, please contact us (prior to this time) and we can make arrangements to provide access codes and keycards for the condo.|
|Check-Out Time||10:00am. You will be charged $60 if our cleaners arrive and you are still in the suite. The suite must be left in reasonable condition after your stay, with any dirty dishes put in dishwasher and started, as well as garbage taken down to the Garbage Room by guests before their departure. Directions to Garbage Room on condo entry door.|
|Complaints Concerning Property||Report all property complaints or obvious damage caused by previous Guests to us immediately, by phone and by email as they become evident. Serious problems should be reported with supporting photographs. We will make our best efforts to rectify problems within 24 hours of notification. Failure to notify us of property-related problems while in the property and as they become evident, will forfeit any rights or claims against us regarding property condition after your departure.|
|Excessive Cleaning Costs||Guests assume all expenses for excessive cleaning costs, the cost to be paid from their credit card.|
|Excessive Noise||Subject to eviction.|
|Housekeeping||Our condo will be clean and ready for our guests when they arrive and a full departure clean/laundry will be done when they depart. As stated in our Policies, guests are required to take all garbage to the garbage/recycling in the parking area. We also require that the dishwasher is loaded and started at departure. We do not offer free mid-stay housekeeping, but if desired, guest paid cleaning can be arranged on request to owners. We have a full size in-suite W/D for all your laundry needs. Full details in comments column. Our cleaning service offers cleaning for $28 per hour (plus 12% HST tax) with a minimum 1.5 hours. Guest must scheduled cleaning through the owners and charges will be added to guests bill at checkout.|
|Liability||We are not responsible for any bodily harm to guests or guests of guests while they are on our property or at any location in Whistler Resort.|
|Maintenance Emergencies||24 hour phone service. Complete emergency contacts provided for booked guests|
|Maximum Sleeping Capacity||Max 4 overnight guests: eviction if over. Will consider and addition young child with a family group; approval required before booking.|
|Missing Items||Guest authorize a credit card charge for missing items as per my stated damage deposit policies.|
|Policy Updates||Policies are subject to change without notice.|
|Property Damage||Guest assumes all financial responsibility for damage incured by them or their guests. Booker's MC/Visa is required at checkin at front desk to be used as damage deposit and must be preauthorized. By signing and returning the reservation agreement required during the online payment process, you agree to pay for all damages. Damage includes, but not restricted to noise complaints, common or private property damage, excessive cleaning charges, lost or broken or missing common or private property items, smoking inside the property, all charges relating to security company or police involvement regarding property occupants's behavior while in the property or on common premises.|
|Rental Accommodation Zoning|
|Resort Information||Our Frontdesk service will prove excellent and helpful source of resort info. Excellent Frontdesk service available 365 days from 8 AM to 12 midnight during primetime and all weekends; 8 am- 9pm off season. They can answer your questions and provide a variety of discounts for local services.|
|Terms of Eviction||2 complaints will result in eviction by security service. Will be evicted for excessive noise, common and private property damage, disturbing the peace.|
|My Web Site Guarantee||We guarentee that all information provided in this website is current and accurate. We will stand behind all we have stated here.|
|Reservation Guarantee||Property Sale/Damage: You will be fully refunded any payment made. Travel insurance is recommended to protect yourself against any unexpected events involving your lodging, flights or vacation-related products.|
Our bright, roomy top floor condo is located in the heart of Whistler Village and faces the mountains on the quiet side of the building .You'll get the benefit of a great nights sleep in a perfect location. The living area is open concept with a full kitchen, dining and living room with a cozy rock-faced gas fireplace.; curl up with a blanket and book. The private balcony off the living area has great mountain views so please sit out and enjoy. The kitchen is fully outfitted with linens, utencils, dishes, cookware and we've supplied lots of the cooking supply basics for your convenience. There are spices, fridge condiments, baking supplies, even popcorn and popper. The fresh, bright bedroom has a queen size bed and large closet for your things. The W/D with laundry supplies is closeted off the bathroom hallway. The full bath comes with soaps/shampoo/conditioner and lotions as well as fresh linens.Check out the beautiful views of the surrounding area and condo pics in our photo album. A picture tells a thousand words! Great for the whole family and the condo is wheelchair accessable.
Sleeping Areas & Beds
Digital cable TV/VCR, hairdryer, great veiw of mountains, air conditioning.
|Room Type||Private Bedroom (Has a door & windows)|
Very comfy queen size sofa bed with "feather bed " mattress cover for added softness.
|Room Type||Common Area (A living area with a temporary bed)|
|Beds||1 Queen Sofa Bed|
The kitchen is well equipped with the following amenities:
|Basic Food Staples||We supply fridge condiments, spices, baking supplies, popcorn and popper, teas and coffees and much more so please check out the cupboards before you do a shop.|
|Coffee Maker||A Starbucks expresso maker and a drip coffee maker with coffee an sugar supplied for both.|
|Cook Books||Some really great recipe books|
|Dishwasher||Included along with all soaps supplied|
|Espresso Maker||Starbucks expresso machine that works fantastic and expresso coffee provided|
|Fridge||with lots of food condiments included as well|
|Oven||lots of baking pans and roaster supplied|
Our bright cozy living area has a sofa and chair seating for 4 people. The living area has a rock-faced gas fireplace, beautiful views and a new 27" TV with DVD/MP3/VCR/CD players and a great surround sound stereo system. Enjoy the newer videos we provide for a relaxing evening or get into one of the variety of paperbacks or games. Read a book on the sunny balcony.
The rustic table has seating for 4 people. You even have the view of the mountains as you enjoy you meals.
Our condo has great mountain views along with an excellent location in the heart of Whistler Village. Just exit out the entry doors and in a few steps you will be right on the Village Stroll. Doesn't get much better then that! The Village Park across the way lets you enjoy the forest, so take a walk through and enjoy the creek and pond along the trail. You'll forget your in the middle of Whistler. The new library with the living roof is not only a beautiful structure, but has facilites available to visiting guests. In the warmer months the kids can join in on the outside reading circle set in the adjoining Village Park. We offer free wireless internet in the condo, but for those without a laptop there are internet cafes in the retail shops below on the Stroll. We just love our spot as it gives you the best of both worlds.
|Exposure||Sunny exposure with beautiful mountain views and forested park area front and center.|
|Fireplace||Cozy stone faced gas fireplace to curl up by. We have just the right cozy blanket to snuggle up with.|
|Views||Gorgeous views of the rugged Mountains as well as picture perfect Main street and woodsy Village Park.. And a creek runs through it!|
Hi, Rob and I are on the right and left in this photo; 3 generations shown here! We have owned our place in Whistler since 2003 and it's always great to get up there and enjoy all that Whistler has to offer. We just park the car and walk to everything. We have less than a 2 hour drive to the Village and leave all the daily routine behind. My husband and daughter Erin's family are the skiers and I'm the dog walker/hiker. Just love walking to, and around Lost Lake. Ziplining is a family favorite for sure. Thanks for choosing our place and hope you find your favourite spots. All,the best, Sandy and Rob.